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CG Conn Victor Cornet - with original case - 1924



Victor Cornet

Our Perspective:
This beautiful cornet just came in from the original owners Daughter - its in immculate condition. We just had it completely cleaned and gone through at our Tech shop. We dated it from the serial # and looks like it was made in 1924. It comes with the original case and lyre, but the mouthpiece is missing! This is a well preserved cornet that is ready for the next 100 years!!

  • We believe this is a “Victor 80A” with the “opera glass tuning slide” 
  • Serial # - 213111
  • Other Markings - L.P. (I assume “Low Pitch”), LTD
  • Finish - Silver/Gold with Nickel appointments??

Consignment Sale, as such, All Sales Final!!

Weight - 2 lbs. 10 oz.

Info from the Internet:
Notice the micro-tuning mechanism just forward of the first valve. Also notice the "mechanism" attached to the first and third slides. This automatically adjusts all slides when the main tuning slide is pulled out to A. The 80A started out life as the "New Wonder", then the "Victor New Wonder" and finally simply as "Victor". If you compare the "New Wonder" specifications of 1914 with the "Victor" specifications of 1957 you will notice the Victor gained 7 ounces in weight compared to 1914. I don't know when that weight was added. The 80A New Wonder has a #2½ bore (0.484"). Also, this model 80A had top spring valves with adjustable spring strength, while the later version had bottom spring valves. A minor detail is the second slide which on this model is at a right angle to the body of the instrument, but on the later version angles back towards the player. Read the booklet Conn included with these instruments, entitled What you should know about this instrument for more on the "mechansim", the micro-tuning mechanism (a.k.a. opera glass tuning slide) and the adjustable spring strength. Production started no later than 1914, and possibly earlier. The 80A with mechanism was discontinued sometime around 1939.

I have learned that the third slide without the finger ring to adjust the pitch of a low D and C# is slightly longer than it is on modern instruments. On modern instruments the low Eb is in tune, but the low D and C# are quite sharp. On these older cornets with the longer third slide no finger ring the Eb is a bit flat and the D and C# are slightly sharp, but not as sharp as they are on later instruments. It was thought that the flat Eb and slightly sharp D and C# were within the abilities of the player to lip into tune.

As far as I can tell at this point, all Conn cornets built before 1958 take a short shank cornet mouthpiece as opposed to the 2¾" "Bach-style" long shank cornet mouthpiece. The long shank cornet mouthpieces won't properly fit a pre-1958 Conn cornet and won't give the proper intonation or playing characteristics of a short shank cornet mouthpiece. All of Conn's "Connstellation" cornet mouthpieces are long shank mouthpieces. The "Improved Precision" Conn mouthpieces such as the Conn 4 are long shank if there is a "ridge" halfway down the shank, and short shank if there is no ridge (in which case it is a "Precision" mouthpiece). All Conn cornet mouthpieces built before the "Improved Precision" series (ridge), such as the "Precision" series (no ridge) are short shank mouthpieces.

Specifications of the "New Wonder", about 1914:
Diameter of bell, 4 5/8". Length of valve casing: 6 1/16". Length of cornet, 17 inches. Weight: 2 lbs. 8 oz. The "New Wonder" Cornet is made in low pitch or high and low pitch, according to order.

What Conn said about the "Victor" in 1927:
Victor cornets are setting the standard for the cornet world. Easy speaking, marvelously flexible, perfect in intonation and possessing unsurpassed beauty of tone. It is not strange they are being played by more world artists than any other cornet in the world. Now available in two bores - the 4A Small bore and the 80A Large bore. One of these two is the cornet you've been whishing you could sometime possess; it all depends upon what your engagement demands of you, which one you choose.

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J.W. York & Sons C-Melody Saxophone - 1917



JW York & Sons

I just heard from a customer - he wrote:

This is actually a Buescher stencil, so the Buescher serial systems apply, which indicate a circa 1919 date at this time.

Hope this helps,

Our Perspective:
This just came in from the original owners family. They just had it serviced. We had one of our woodwind teachers play it and he says it plays well - but, please realize this is subjective. Be prepared to have this instrument serviced by your Tech.

Consignment Sales, as such, All Sales Final!!

From the Net:
A Guide to Dating York Instruments
Determining the date of a York instrument made in Grand Rapids, Michigan is rather problematic because no records are available.Apparently, somewhere during the transfer of the company from Carl Fisher to Tolchin Instruments or the subsequent purchase by Martin Tolchin, the original records were lost, misplaced, or destroyed. This is further compounded by the existence several companies that have used the name "York" since then, including Boosey and Hawkes, the American company Brook Mays and the current manufacturer Schreiber & Keilwerth in Markneukirchen, Germany. Since Carl Fischer chose to outsource some York models and use assemblies from other companies under their control (such as Blessing), trying to make sense of anything not built in Grand Rapids has been compared to trying to herd cats.

Grand Rapids Band Instrument Company instruments, although made on the same York manufacturing lines by the same craftsmen(8), apparently had their own set of serial numberings(7).

This guide, then, confines itself to York instruments made in the Grand Rapids factory. Following the list are the facts and assumptions which were used to create it. This guide was started using details of just a few hundred surviving York instruments. There is now an expanded information base of over 2,600 York instruments to reference, starting with"York & Son" in 1887 and continuing through several name changes until the Grand Rapids plant was closed in 1971.

For more information, go to the Detailed Record of York Instruments. This page lists known and reported York instruments as a service to those researching York and owners of York instruments. The source of the information is listed, and wherever possible, the serial numbers have also been verified visually. Instruments made after Carl Fischer took control of York are included, but obvious conflicts in numbers are confined to their own section.

If you note any discrepancies, or have additional information concerning this company, please contact us here at Horn-u-copia.

Additionally, we would be grateful to anyone who owns a York horn not listed to contact us with the name, type, cities, and serial number (etc.). It would be nice to build our lists using horns other primarily than just those that are being sold.


  • Model - C Melody
  • Pitch - Low Pitch
  • Licensed PAT. - Dec 8, 1914
  • Made In - Grand Rapids Michigan
  • Serial # - 50525
  • Date - (according to our research on the Net) - 1917
  • Case - C.G. Conn Case, handle missing, in pretty poor shape

Please ask all questions, all sales final!

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Selmer Prelude Student Model TS711 Tenor Saxophone - USED

$999.99 $2273.00


Prelude TS711

Our Perspective:
This beautiful Prelude Tenor Sax was just purchased here at George’s Music Center about 6 month’s ago. The aspiring student, (he’s in his 60’s - lol) decided it was not for him. Very low hours! - SAVE!!

Consignment Sale, as such, ALL SALES ARE FINAL!!

Local Pickup - No Shipping!

About the Model TS711
Enjoyable and affordable, the Prelude tenor saxophone is designed with the beginning musician in mind. The Selmer TS711 Tenor Saxophone key design allows for correct and comfortable hand position. The yellow brass body includes ribbed construction and a detachable reinforced body-to-bow connection for added strength and durability. Prelude bore design enhances projection. Designed as an affordable option for beginning band students, the Prelude series of entry-level instruments combines value and performance. All instruments are built to stringent specifications and supported by our ongoing commitment to service. Each outfit includes instrument, necessary accessories, and care & maintenance instructions.


  • Left-hand table key rocker mechanism with articulated C# adjusting screw
  • High F# key
  • Molded mouthpiece with cap and ligature
  • Engraved bell
  • Neck strap
  • Dark lacquer body and keys
  • Cork grease
  • Adjustable metal right-hand thumb rest
  • #2 1/2 Reed
  • Kid leather pads with metal resonators
  • Rugged Sculpted Foam Case
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